Nomination questions #2

[crantz]

Tagset and source ideas

Here we have #2 in our series of tag inquiries! Outstanding questions from the previous post are included here.


Not yet approved

Tale: The Aeneid - Virgil
Characters: Janus (Ancient Roman Religion & Lore)
Remus (Ancient Roman Religion & Lore)
Romulus (Ancient Roman Religion & Lore)

Problem: These characters don’t appear in the Aeneid as characters, as far as we can tell - we can only find the temple of one and the descendants of the other two. Could you provide us with your reasoning?

Tale: African Diasporic Mythology
Character: Anansi (African Mythology)

Problem: We need a specific tale, not a whole mythological tradition. Please choose a specific Anansi story. It must be legally available online.

UPDATE: Here is a source of Anansi stories you can use! Jamaica Anansi Stories at Sacred-Texts


Tale: English and Scottish Popular Ballads - Francis James Child
Characters: Robin Hood

Problem: There are at least 37 Child ballads concerning Robin Hood. Could you please choose a specific one? Link to ballads.

Tale: Just So Stories - Rudyard Kipling
Characters: Taffy and her father (MOD NOTE: This is invalid as a character nomination, as it is two characters)
The Butterfly who Stamped
The Cat who walked by Himself
The Crab who Played with the Sea

Problem: These are multiple stories. Please choose one specific tale.

Tale: Hawaiian Legends of Volcanoes - W. D. Westerveld
Characters: Hi'iaka (Hawaiian Mythology)
Hopoe (Hawaiian Mythology)
Ka wahine ʻai honua | Pele (Hawaiian Mythology)

Problem: The Hawaiian Legends of Volcanoes is a valid (and interesting!) place to source your tale from, but please choose a specific tale from the collection.

Tale: Swan Lake & Related Fandoms
Character: Odette (Swan Lake)

Problem: Unfortunately, as a ballet this has no text. But! It is based on various stories! Swan Lake on Wikipedia may be of use to you, as it discusses the sources that were drawn upon for the ballet itself. I will reject this at the end of nominations if it remains as it is.

Tale: Norse Religion & Lore
Characters: Freyja | Freya (Norse Religion & Lore)
Ívar beinlausi Rangarsson | Ivar the Boneless
Ragnarr Loðbrók | Ragnar Lodbrok
Þórr | Thor (Norse Religion & Lore)

Problem: Needs a more specific tale, please, or possibly two? Which texts are you drawing on, please?



Approved

Tale: 12 Dancing Princesses

Check: There are a few different versions. The Red Fairy Book version appears to match the title best - in this one, the gardener boy marries the youngest princess. The Brothers Grimm version of this tale is called The Shoes That Were Danced to Pieces and ends with a princess marrying a poor soldier. Nominator, please let us know if you wanted a different source!

Tale: Jack and the Beanstalk
Characters Jack's Mother (Jack and the Beanstalk)
Giant (Jack and the Beanstalk)
Jack (Jack and the Beanstalk)

Check There are many different versions of this story. In one, the giants killed Jack’s father and it’s his castle they’re living in! In one, there’s no relation. Could the nominator please tell us if you have a preferred version?

Tale: Theogony - Hesiod
Characters: Γαῖα | Gaia | Gaea (Theogony - Hesiod)
Ζευς | Zeus (Theogony - Hesiod)
Κρόνος | Kronos | Cronus (Theogony - Hesiod)
Ῥεία | Rheia | Rhea (Theogony - Hesiod)

Check: We’ve approved this, but it’s actually too broad, sorry. We’re re-naming it Zeus and Cronus (Theogony - Hesiod) to fit the characters nominated here. Please let us know if you have an alternate suggestion!

Tale: Theseus and the Minotaur
Characters: Ariadne (Theseus and the Minotaur)
Minotaur (Theseus and the Minotaur)
Seven Sacrificial Maidens (Theseus and the Minotaur)
Theseus (Theseus and the Minotaur)

Check: We're changing the title of this tale to Theseus and the Minotaur (Parallel Lives - Plutarch). Please let us know if you object!

Tale: Wonder Tales from Many Lands
Characters: Baba Yaga (Slavic Mythology & Folklore)
Baba Yaga's Cat (Slavic Mythology & Folklore)

Check: We are fine with this source, but the individual tales in this volume aren’t part of the same story. We’ve approved this as The Baba Yaga: A Russian Fairy Tale (Wonder Tales from Many Lands - Katharine Pyle). Let us know if there’s a problem with that!


In the case of tales with small differences in versions, we will look for a legally available version online and link to that as the source. For examples of what we’re likely to choose, please see the previous year’s sources!

• 2015's spreadsheet of sources for the fics that year.


• 2016's spreadsheet of sources for the fics that year.


• 2017's spreadsheet of sources for the fics that year.

If you nominated any of the following stories and you have a specific version in mind - and especially, if it’s different from a version linked in a previous year’s spreadsheet - please comment and tell us which version you prefer:
Allerleirauh | All-Kinds-Of-Fur (Fairy Tale)
Allison Gross (Traditional Ballad)
The Cat Who Became a Queen (Indian Fairy Tale)
The Clever Cat (African Folk Tale)
The Cowherd and the Weaver Girl (Chinese mythology)
The Devil with the Three Golden Hairs - Brothers Grimm
Einäuglein Zweiäuglein und Dreiäuglein | One-eye Two-eyes and Three-eyes
Die Gänsemagd | The Goose Girl
The Heavenly Maiden and the Wood Cutter - Zong Dog-Bong
John Henry (American Tall Tale)
Lokasenna (Norse Religion and Lore)
Ocean-Born Mary (Ghost Story)
Paul Bunyan (American Tall Tale)
Puddocky (Fairy Tale)
Room for One More (Urban Legend)
Sagan af kisu kóngsdóttur | Kisa the Cat
Schneewittchen | Snow White (Fairy Tale)
The Silent Princess (Fairy Tale)
Иван-царевич и серый волк | Ivan Tsarevich and the Fire Bird and the Gray Wolf
Смерть Кощея Бессмертного | The Death of Koschei the Deathless (Fairy Tale)


Important Links

• 2018 Collection and Parent Collecton


• FAQ


• Schedule and Past Collections


• Tagset


• Sources (to come)


• Letters (to come)


• Pinch Hit Tag


• Beta Post (to come)

Please send any questions to onceupon@fandom.exchange!

Comments

[desertvixen]

I'm good with change on Theseus - assume it's this source: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Theseus*.html?

For the others:

Cat Who Became a Queen is here: http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0402.html#knowles
Ocean Born Mary source is here: http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2010/07/oceanborn_mary.html (same as last year)
Room for One More is here: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/62236-birth-of-an-urban-legend/ (believe this is same as last year)

[crantz]

Thank you for the links, especially the Theseus one. We've added it to the source sheet!

[lady_ragnell]

I nominated Puddocky (Fairy Tale), Einäuglein Zweiäuglein und Dreiäuglein | One-eye Two-eyes and Three-eyes, and The Silent Princess (Fairy Tale)

I was going from the Andrew Lang version of all three tales:
Puddocky: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/lfb/gn/gnfb24.htm
One-eye: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/lfb/gn/gnfb28.htm (Apologies for the title being slightly different, but the one nominated was already canonical on the AO3 and I haven't found any wildly differing versions of the tale)
Silent Princess: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/lfb/ol/olfb31.htm

[crantz]

Awesome, thank you for the links! They've been added to the source sheet.

[fhionnuisce]

Roger! The Norse and Anansi story noms were mine and I never nominated before. Ragnar has a specific saga, I will look it up and make sure it is readily available!

[crantz]

Awesome, thank you! And it's okay, it's easy to have happen what with the autocomplete.

[fhionnuisce]

I found a source for Ragnar's saga. I did nominate a specific one of his sons, who has his own saga, but this is just a jumping off point.

I also found this Anansi story which is what I would like to nominate: http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/jas/jas093.htm

But I am not sure how to do that within the tagset. For example I am not sure what to nominate beyond the African Mythology fandom?

[crantz]

The tag you should use for that tale is: Anansi and Mr. Able (Jamaica Anansi Stories)

Thank you very much for complying!

[fhionnuisce]

No problem, 1 sec!

[crantz]

oh! Can you link me to the Ragnar text? I'm having a devil of a time finding it.

[fhionnuisce]

I will try to do that, and if I can't find a complete enough text, I will withdraw that nomination, no problem! I found sort of a lot of summaries, and also, like, epic story inclusions where I guess he is part of chapters...hold on.

[fhionnuisce]

So, most of them are here, and if you want me to change how I nominate this let me know.

https://archive.org/stream/volsungasagatran009188mbp/volsungasagatran009188mbp_djvu.txt

Also I had nominated Alice in Wonderland basically, and I don't know if that can count, but if nominating Ragnar is too weird, I can swap back in Alice in some form (not the Disney version, but I'm not sure if Lewis Caroll counts here, I do know it counted in a previous collection though?)

[crantz]

We found another source too finally! I was just coming to tell you that. So Ragnar is IN. No need to mess with Alice.

[fhionnuisce]

I switched Alice out for Thor's Wedding! Haha. I can put her back in though, and I can find a source for Thor's Wedding too. :)

(I'm just in a mythology kind of mood really.)

[crantz]

I just approved Thor's wedding because that's one of my favourites. Too late! No takebacks!

[fhionnuisce]

YES it's my favorite too! SQUEE!

[fhionnuisce]

Here is one version of Thor's Wedding!

http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2014/01/thors_wedding.html

[crantz]

Added to the sheet beside the translation! Thank you!

(Also sorry for the accidental bollocks hamster, that's my default)

[fhionnuisce]

No problem!!!!

[fhionnuisce]

You also asked about preference in Snow White! I'm sure I wasn't the only person who nominated it, but in case I was, I have no preference there!

[flo_nelja]

Hello! I'm here for the "Hawaiian Legends of Volcanoes - W. D. Westerveld" source. My problem is that the story that interests me is a semi-epic running from chapter 11 to chapter 17 of the book, so I nominated the whole one. How should I put it? The individual chapters really don't make a whole story.

[crantz]

The tag we should go with then is "Pele's Long Sleep (Hawaiian Legends of Volcanoes - W. D. Westerveld)", then, and note in the source sheet, and in your letter/optional details, that it has follow ups to chapter 17. We only allow one tale at a time, even if they're connected.

I hope this compromise works for you! You gave us a tricky one.

[flo_nelja]

OK, no problem! Do I change it, do you change it?
Technically Hopoe is not yet in this chapter and you don't want to tag characters who are not in a story, so maybe you could take "Hopoe, the dancing stone" instead, so the three characters are in it? I can still put the details later.

[crantz]

I can do it. I'll adjust the tags accordingly. Thanks for getting back to us!

[flo_nelja]

Thank you!
Unrelated, I saw the Sedna story was not approved yet, do you need a source? Is any source on the Internet OK or do you need to be legally public domain?

[crantz]

Oh yes! She needs a source - any is okay. She was gonna be in the next post but since she's yours, please! Show me which version of her story you want us to use.

[flo_nelja]

This one is nice, for example: http://www.polarlife.ca/traditional/myth/sedna.htm

I'm sorry, i'm new, I didn't mean to have weird requests.

[crantz]

It's all good! Since you're new, don't worry about the editing I did to the tags. I do that each exchange to make them clearer or correct them (Pele, Sedna, etc, are part of practicing religions and wouldn't be mythology, which leads me to wondering about the pagans and the norse and the greeks and some lively debate I've had that ended in 'well, the new stuff wouldn't be mythology')

[crantz]

adding: tricky as in I was impressed, not tricky as in scolding you.

[karrenia_rune]

On the Just So Stories nomination with the two characters, I'm good with it not being approved. Sorry about that. It's been changed or it's just not included? Take care.

[crantz]

It has not been approved because we are waiting for you to choose a specific story. Please change your nomination to a specific story, and do not use a character slot for more than one character. You can find your nominations by going to:

http://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/2250 and clicking My Nominations at the top right.

[littlestclouds]

I nominated the Heavenly Maiden and the Wood Cutter and was going with this version.

I also nominated Herdboy and the Weaving Maiden but not sure if you mean me re. Cowherd and the Weaving Girl.

[crantz]

Thank you for the source!

Both were nominated! You can see Herdboy down in uncategorized and Cowherd up in Books and Literature.

[paradisi]

I nominated Allison Gross and One Eye Two Eyes!

Allison Gross: My favorite version is actually the Steeleye Span song? but it's pretty close to the original text http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/ch035.htm. You can also see the original text/Steeleye lyrics compared here https://mainlynorfolk.info/steeleye.span/songs/alisongross.html


One Eye Two Eyes: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/grimm/ht40.htm

[crantz]

Thank you!